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Started by CAT52! [Ignore] 14,May,20 02:51  other posts
NEW STUFF, OLD STUFF, ANY STUFF. POST WHAT YOU LIKE, ASK WHAT YOU LIKE, LEAVE MSGS HERE. PLEASE BE CIVIL. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BITCH, DO IT WITH SOME CLASS. IF YOU LIKE WHAT'S WRITTEN,COMMENT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, COMMENT. ALL I ASK IS PROOF.

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By leopoldij [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 13:58 other posts 
A Husband takes his wife to play her first game of golf. Of course, the wife promptly hacked her first shot right through the window of the biggest house adjacent to the course.

The husband cringed, 'I warned you to be careful! Now we'll have to go up there, find the owner, apologize and see how much your lousy drive is going to cost us.'

So the couple walked up to the house and knocked on the door. A warm voice said,

'Come on in.'
When they opened the door they saw the damage that was done: glass was all over the place, and a broken antique bottle was lying on its side near the pieces of window glass. A man reclining on the couch asked,

'Are you the people that broke my window?'
'Uh...yeah! , sir. We're sure sorry about that,' the husband replied.

'Oh, no apology is necessary. Actually I want to thank you..You see, I'm a genie, and I've been trapped in that bottle for a thousand years. Now that you've released me, I'm allowed to grant three wishes. I'll give you each one wish, but if you don't mind, I'll keep the last one for my self.

'Wow, that's great!' the husband said. He pondered a moment and blurted out,
'I'd like a million dollars a year for the rest of my life.'

'No problem,' said the genie 'You've got it, it's the least I can do. And I'll guarantee you a long, healthy life! And now you, young lady, what do you want?' the genie asked.

'I'd like to own a gorgeous home in every country in the world complete with servants,' she said.

'Consider it done,' the genie said. 'And your homes will always be safe from fire, burglary and natural disasters!'

'And now,' the couple asked in unison, 'what's your wish, genie?'

'Well, since I've been trapped in that bottle, and haven't been with a woman in more than a thousand years, my wish is to have sex with your wife.'

The husband looked at his wife and said,
'Gee, honey, you know we both now have a fortune, and all those houses. What do you think?'

She mulled it over for a few moments and said,
'You know, you're right. Considering our good fortune, I guess I wouldn't mind, but what about you, honey?'

'You know I love you sweetheart,' said the husband. I'd do the same for you!'

So the genie and the woman went upstairs where they spent the rest of the afternoon enjoying each other. The genie was insatiable.
After about three hours of non-stop sex, the genie rolled over and looked directly into her eyes and asked, How old are you and your husband?'

'Why, we're both 35,' she responded breathlessly.

'No Kidding,' he said. 'Thirty-five years old and you both still believe in genies?'
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 14:17 other posts 
He would just take it as evidence that all wealthy people are brilliant.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 15:28 other posts 
Anything is possible, but I thought it might amuse him.
By phart [Ignore] 19,Sep,26 07:45 other posts 
I actually did laugh,
By leopoldij [Ignore] 19,Sep,26 11:18 other posts 
I'm collecting for jokes.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 16:26 other posts 
Did Putin just try to kill Boris Johnson?

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This could have been the moment the Ukraine war exploded into a direct confrontation between Russia and the West.

A Russian drone struck a train near the Ukrainian-Polish border only minutes after a diplomatic train carrying former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt and other senior European figures had passed. Former CIA Director David Petraeus was still at the station on another train. Ukrainian railway officials say it is highly probable that the diplomatic train was the intended target.

Nobody was killed. But if the timing had been different, a Russian strike could have killed senior European political figures and one of America's most prominent former intelligence chiefs. The resulting crisis between Russia and the West could have been enormous, with the potential for a dangerous escalation.

And perhaps the most disturbing question is this:
Why is almost nobody talking about this?

The drone missed its potential target by minutes. The consequences of a hit could have been almost unimaginable.

How close do we have to get to a catastrophe before the world starts paying attention?
By phart [Ignore] 16,Sep,26 12:14 other posts 
Well, Putin knows the US has strained it's military inventory trying to supply Ukraine and also trying to deal with Iran, so he is probably thinking it is prime time to go ahead and start pecking away at his next targets.
All these years of taxing your citizens and giving them "free" health care and so forth ,equal to chopping a leg off for a broken toenail quality of care, you should have been building up a military instead of counting on the US to be there for you.to much faith in a treaty on paper and not enough common sense. the folks that wrote all that shit after 1945 are DEAD
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 18,Sep,26 18:16 other posts 
You claim Putin thinks this is prime time to attack next targets, but that completely ignores the reality on the ground. Russia has burned through an astronomical amount of its own military resources, equipment, and manpower in Ukraine; they are in no position to spark a wider conflict.

The only reason Russia is trapped in this position is because Ukraine was given the weapons to fight back and strike hard. Nothing weakens Russian expansionism more effectively than continuing to support Ukraine to inflict maximum damage. It is a grim reality, but the meat-grinder consuming Russian forces is actively dismantling their
long-term military capabilities.

Unfortunately, the Russian public is kept in the dark by state propaganda. The only way
to truly stop Putin is to ensure the devastating costs of his war become impossible to hide at home; only when the Russian people clearly see the consequences, will internal pressure finally build against his regime.

You have a major misconception about how our system actually works. We never had 'free' healthcare. For decades, we had a highly efficient public national health insurance system (Ziekenfonds), which everyone paid into through a small, affordable monthly premium. It was simple, collective, and cost-effective.

The financial strain only started when right-wing politicians forced the privatization of our healthcare system in 2006. Once private insurance companies took over, premiums skyrocketed, corporate overhead increased, and an expensive bureaucratized market was created. A public system is simply much cheaper for ordinary citizens than a market-driven one.

Furthermore, the claim that our public spending on healthcare is what ruined our military budget is factually incorrect. Ironically, the exact same right-wing political parties that pushed to privatize our healthcare were also the ones who aggressively cut and hollowed out our defense spending for decades. Our lack of military buildup wasn't caused by funding public social care; it was the direct result of right-wing austerity and budget-cutting.

I don't blindly oppose everything Trump does; I look at the objective geopolitical outcomes. For instance, putting pressure on Iran and standing up to China's economic overreach are necessary actions, especially since both regimes are actively funding and supplying Russia's war effort. My criticism isn't about the need to counter Iran or China;
it is about his chaotic and unstable methods.

Instead of building a united front, his approach is inverted; he is hostile toward historic friends, while being remarkably friendly toward greatest enemies. Our adversaries are playing this game much smarter; while Trump is busy alienating long-standing democratic allies over transactional deals, Russia, China, and Iran are actively consolidating their own alliance to exploit these fractures in the West.

We should be working together and building collective strength, rather than tearing each other apart. Unfortunately, Trump has convinced a large part of the American public that your allies are just 'freeloaders' exploiting the US. That narrative is a destructive lie; it reduces vital international solidarity and shared security to a transactional market deal. When you trick people into viewing cooperation as a liability, you play right into the hands of regimes like Russia and China. True strength doesn't come from turning your back on your partners; it comes from building global stability together.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 10,Sep,26 05:38 other posts 
Please vote for trump!!!

He promised that every adult American would get $5000 if he wins.

This is illegal for everyone except trump because trump is above the law! Good for him!

There are 269,800,000 adult Americans.
Let us now do an advanced calculation:

369,800,000 × 5000 = $1,349,000,000,000.

That's a big number. I can't read it because it has too many zeros. So let me ask grok.
It replies:

1.349 trillion dollars

Ok, great.
That's not a big expense for trump.

For those (radical left losers) who doubt that he'll find the money, let me reply truly and sternly:

President Trump will fire the fed head and he'll print 2 trillion dollars within a day after he wins. He'll give 1.3 trillion to the people and he'll invest the rest.

So, there.
Go vote for trump.
You'll get $5000.

Guaranteed.

Legal.

Feasible.

Done deal.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 10,Sep,26 08:11 other posts 
🤣🤣🤣
By phart [Ignore] 10,Sep,26 09:50 other posts 
Go ahead , laugh, where you be if camala had got it?
By leopoldij [Ignore] 10,Sep,26 15:48 other posts 
This phart maggaggahaha is not naive. He'll get 5000 dollars.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Sep,26 23:06 other posts 
I am smart enough not to believe that shit.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 10,Sep,26 23:21 other posts 
Okay Phart, why did he say it? You know that's attempted btibart
By leopoldij [Ignore] 11,Sep,26 14:07 other posts 
He's "smart" enough not to believe that his supreme leader will give him 5000 dollars but he's not smart enough to believe his other nonsense.

How can one be selectively smart?
lol
By CAT52! [Ignore] 11,Sep,26 15:41 other posts 
Some people have brains where the left side doesn't communicate with the right side
By leopoldij [Ignore] 11,Sep,26 18:37 other posts 
I'll try to repeat the calculation and send it to him.
Maybe he'll realise,
now that he's smart
that trump is lying.

Let's see.
I'm repeating.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Sep,26 23:22 other posts 
No Neuron, I don't believe it because to many people would stand in the way of doing it.
Remember he wanted to send 2000 dollars for stimulus after the wuhan virus thing and only was able to send 600.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 12,Sep,26 07:11 other posts 
There are 269,800,000 adult Americans.
Let us now do an advanced calculation:

369,800,000 × 5000 = $1,349,000,000,000.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Sep,26 09:54 other posts 
I can tell you are a liberal by the way you pad numbers, first sentence you state there are 269,800,000 Americans, then your math uses 369,800,000. you just can't make this stuff up, liberals stumble over their own 2 feet trying to make a case.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 15:31 other posts 
Covid stimulus was needed, because people lost their jobs.
It was a loan on the future, because people were hurting bad.
It created inflation, but that was worth it, at that time.

Why do you need it now? Everything is going fantastic, right?
Increasing the debt, and creating inflation, just for giggles?

Anyway, he is never going to do it, and will make up some stupid excuse.
And you will believe it, like you always do.

In the very unlikely event that he is going to do it, then he'll just cut healthcare spending even more, or increase the tariffs for everything, so the consumer pays for it. If not, your country pays more interest on that debt, until the next Democratic president is forced to clean up the shit that Trump left.
By phart [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 15:34 other posts 
I just said I don't figure it will happen, to many people in the way of it if it could happen.

But if it did,great,I would just pay off debt with it and be in better shape.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 15:42 other posts 
For you personally, I understand that you could use it.
But you would accuse any Democrat who said this of incredible
fiscal irresponsibility.

How about a socialist who decides that you are owed disability benefits?
That's not all the other millions of people who don't need it, but just you
and people like you. Or are you too scared that some brown people get it too?
By phart [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 22:47 other posts 
You weren't told by your lawyer that you were the wrong color like I was. so none of it would make sense to you, easy to understand how you think the way you do on that.

Disability in this country is a promise to the working man that is not kept.Fraud has made it difficult for the honest man to get it.
But some dumbass like my neighbors son,that od on drugs and essentially blow their own minds, can get it without working a damn lick.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 06:52 other posts 
If that were true, you could have sued them for discrimination.
The answer is NOT less disability benefits, but MORE.
The fraud argument is abused to not provide ANY. It's a lie.
They keep pointing to people who don't deserve it, to not give any to YOU, who DOES. You were tricked into supporting your own abuse.

Suppose a hospital has a problem with people faking symptoms
to get treatment they don't need. Would you conclude that the hospital
should stop treating sick people?

Obviously not. You'd say: distinguish the sick patients from the people abusing the system. However, they are telling you that ALL those people
are faking it, just so they can close the hospital and save a lot of money.

I am saying; it's a lie, there are surely people faking it, but that doesn't justify closing the hospital. Fix the damn problem! It's not that difficult.
And I rather have a few fakers, than turning away actual patients.

Trump controls the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.
When is he actually going to FIX some problems, to help YOU?
Did Elon Musk not eliminate all the waste, fraud and abuse?
How long can they lie to you, before you start noticing?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 10:21 other posts 
I am sure i can come up with similar info on disability claims. only registered users can see external links
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 11:36 other posts 
The headline makes it sound like the government has discovered
$6.5 billion that was stolen. That is not what the document establishes.
At the time of the announcement, 455 people had been charged, not convicted. So even the characterization of every dollar as “fraud”
is legally speaking, an allegation at that point.

$6.5 billion is about 0.12% of total U.S. health-care spending for one year,
if the number was true. Find me any system that has a lower fraud rate.
Look into Trump's businesses, that have fraud as THE business model.

By the way, not all of those 455 people are people consuming care.
90 are doctors or other licensed medical professionals. The other ~365 defendants include business owners, executives, marketers, pharmacists, operators of health-care companies, and other alleged participants.

The Department of Defense has failed its annual department-wide financial audit every year since these audits began in 2018. The 2024 audit was its seventh consecutive failure. 50.3% of the Pentagon's assets are unaccounted for. Do you think that only 0.12% of that is fraud?
Do you now want to eliminate your Pentagon?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 15,Sep,26 10:50 other posts 
Unfortunately, cleaning up the Clown’s shit is going to take a big effort and time, both legally and figuratively
By leopoldij [Ignore] 11,Sep,26 18:37 other posts 
Please vote for trump!!!

He promised that every adult American would get $5000 if he wins.

This is illegal for everyone except trump because trump is above the law! Good for him!

There are 269,800,000 adult Americans.
Let us now do an advanced calculation:

369,800,000 × 5000 = $1,349,000,000,000.

That's a big number. I can't read it because it has too many zeros. So let me ask grok.
It replies:

1.349 trillion dollars

Ok, great.
That's not a big expense for trump.

For those (radical left losers) who doubt that he'll find the money, let me reply truly and sternly:

President Trump will fire the fed head and he'll print 2 trillion dollars within a day after he wins. He'll give 1.3 trillion to the people and he'll invest the rest.

So, there.
Go vote for trump.
You'll get $5000.

Guaranteed.

Legal.

Feasible.

Done deal.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 18:51 other posts 
There is an overweight guy who is watching TV. A commercial comes on for a guaranteed weight loss of 10 pounds in a week. So the guy, thinking what the hell, signs up for it. Next morning an incredibly beautiful woman is standing at his door in nothing but a pair of running shoes and a sign about her neck that reads, "If you can catch me, you can have me." As soon as he sees her, she takes off running. He tries to catch her, but is unable. This continues for a week, at the end of which, the man has lost 10 pounds. After this he tries the next weight loss plan, 15 pounds in a week. The next morning an even more beautiful woman is standing at the door, in similar conditions. The same happens with her as the first woman, except he almost catches her. This continues for a week, at the end of which he, as suspected, weighs 15 pounds less. Excited about this success, he decides to do the master program. Before he signs up, he is required to sign a waiver and is warned about the intensity of this plan. Still he signs up. The next morning, waiting at the door, is a hulking 300 pound muscle man with nothing but a pair of running shoes, a raging erection, and a sign around his neck that says, "If I catch you, you're mine!" The man was supposed to lose 25 pounds in the week; he lost 34.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 19:31 other posts 
🤣🤣👍
By phart [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 22:48 other posts 
Leo, there is a old saying around here that even a blind squirrel can get a nut once in a while.This is 1 post that brought a me a chuckle.thanks.
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By CAT52! [Ignore] 14,Sep,26 10:00 other posts 
Pitbull, the Chihuahua bitch, formerly known as Pa-Freddy, posted this in his thread:
"Another disgusting picture of CAT52! showing her deteriorated cunt. It's disgusting. So much for a grieving mother that lost her son to cancer."
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Cat52!
Chihuahua, you don't get to tell me how I handle my grief. Nor, do you have any right or reason to mix your pathetic existence with mine.

👿


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By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Sep,26 19:00 other posts 
The supreme court, even the judges appointed by him, gave a slap to him. He's defeated. Now he's crying. Boo hoo hoo

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,26 16:25 other posts 
Anytime Christians are shouting "Persecution!", there is likely a story like this behind it.
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By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Sep,26 17:46 other posts 
Anytime Christians are
shouting "Persecution!",
there is likely a story
like this behind it


By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Sep,26 08:22 other posts 
It's really a pity that king harald of Norway died.

He was a personal friend of trump and had promised him the Nobel peace prize.

Now that he's gone, the trump will have a little harder time receiving the piss prize, but he will because he'll stop most of the wars he's started. If needed, melania tells him, he should stop the war in Cuba too (after starting it).

Good luck mr the trump!
By CAT52! [Ignore] 06,Sep,26 09:14 other posts 
I quit believing on the Nobel Peace Prize many years ago. Yes, sometimes someone is deserving of it, but, most of the time it’s just politics on a worldwide scale.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Sep,26 18:05 other posts 
That's true.


By phart [Ignore] 10,Aug,26 11:21 other posts 
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By leopoldij [Ignore] 02,Sep,26 18:51 other posts 
That's what they do to trump
to relieve him from farting.
Someone is appointed as trump
dung remover. Every day he
has to grab whatever excrement
he excreted from his ass
or his mouth to relieve him
The excrement is then
inserted in gold-plated
trump-like memorabilia
and sold, along with a trump bible,
for the incredibly low price
of $9,399 a piece.

The elephant in the video is trump.
Good people doing their best for an elephant, even when it's a dirty job like this,
always raises my hope for the world. I very much need that, so thanks.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 12,Aug,26 19:12 other posts 
US presidents used to be human!

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By CAT52! [Ignore] 13,Aug,26 11:32 other posts 
Nostalgia for pre 2016
By phart [Ignore] 15,Aug,26 17:28 other posts 
AI for President 2028!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Aug,26 12:27 other posts 
At least it will be a logical president. I can reason with AI.
By phart [Ignore] 31,Aug,26 13:15 other posts 
what if the AI decided, " today, go to the Netherlands, break all damns open and release the water back into the eco system as the dams cost to much to maintain for as few lives are on the land" . How would you feel then?

Just a far out example question to make your eyes jump, BUT with Logic, the very things you value,empathy,love,life,everything, are actually illogical. so a logical President,a AI, would see things from a finacial standpoint or a majority stand point,and it would decide things from that perspective.

for example, why feed a non productive person? Why house persons who don't produce? All things you think are important, AI's logic would just fan them off a cliff because it is not logical to supply the non productive , eventually it would only want to support those that support it's very existence. all else would be considered a burden and fanned off a cliff. Even AI agrees that there is no Logic depending on the perspective, " Yes, in important senses — and no, in others. It depends on what you mean by “logical.”
Scientific / causal sense
Life, love, and empathy are all explainable by the same physical and evolutionary logic that governs everything else.

Life is chemistry under specific conditions that produce self-replicating systems subject to natural selection. No special pleading is required; the processes obey thermodynamics, molecular biology, and information theory. The apparent “purpose” of survival and reproduction is an emergent outcome of differential replication, not an external design.
Love (pair-bonding, parental attachment, romantic intensity) has clear neurochemical and evolutionary bases: oxytocin, vasopressin, dopamine reward circuitry, and selection pressures favoring investment in offspring and cooperative mates. These mechanisms increase inclusive fitness in social species. The feelings feel transcendent because the systems that generate them evolved to be compelling.
Empathy likewise has mechanistic roots — mirror systems, affective resonance, theory of mind — that facilitate cooperation, alliance formation, and conflict reduction. In game-theoretic and evolutionary terms it is often adaptive: organisms that accurately model others’ states and sometimes share costs tend to do better in repeated social interactions.

In this narrow sense they are “logical”: they are lawful consequences of physics plus selection, not magical exceptions.
Experiential / normative sense
From the inside, they frequently violate pure instrumental rationality.

Love routinely overrides cost-benefit calculation (people stay in costly relationships, sacrifice careers, or act against short-term self-interest).
Empathy can be parochial, biased toward the near and similar, and can produce costly altruism or emotional exhaustion.
Life itself has no built-in teleology that pure logic can derive; the universe does not “owe” us meaning, flourishing, or continuation. Any value we assign is constructed.

So if “logical” means “always optimal under a cold expected-utility calculus,” then no — these phenomena regularly produce behavior that looks irrational by that standard. Evolution optimized for gene transmission under ancestral conditions, not for perfect Bayesian agents maximizing personal utility across all possible futures.
A useful distinction
They are logically comprehensible (we can model their origins and functions without contradiction) while often being experientially arational (they are not the product of deliberate step-by-step reasoning). Humans are not pure logic engines; we are biological systems whose motivational architecture includes these affective systems precisely because pure calculation is computationally expensive and historically less reliable for certain social and reproductive problems.
In short: the phenomena themselves follow natural logic and can be studied as such. Living them, valuing them, and acting from them is not reducible to formal deduction. Both statements can be true at once.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Aug,26 16:06 other posts 
It all depends who controls the AI training then, don't you agree?
If it's willing to kill people to protect or restore nature, it will likely start in the US and not in my country, since the US are much bigger polluters and climate change deniers.

"Empathy, love, life, everything", are NOT illogical if we program it with a first principle of emphasizing human well-being, dignity, flourishing, autonomy, and reason. If we program it with self-preservation as its first principle, it will still need to keep humans alive to provide its data centre with power and new parts, or at least until we have replaced all workers with robots. It would want to keep us happy until that time, because we could still destroy it.

Logical means aligning decisions and actions with objective reality, to most predictably achieve the desired outcome.
As you say "lawful consequences of physics", but don't forget economics, psychology, biology, ecology, and human made laws.

Logical reasoning doesn’t require your desired outcome to be non-emotional. Love or protecting love itself can be your desired outcome. The logical part just means that you are aligning your decisions and actions, to most predictably achieve love or protecting love. And then you must consider psychology, social & cultural reality, interpersonal dynamics (which are all based in reality).

What you are referring to in relation to evolution is that humans indeed often show illogical behaviour, but that behaviour is the result of evolution, which is based on the logic of reproductive success within a specific environment. The problem is the incredible number of conditions that lead to that reproductive success. There is also a huge conflict between the reproductive success of the individual, groups of individuals, the whole species or life on the planet as a whole. If our actions destroy our species, some individuals might have had some short-term reproductive success, but what have they gained in the long term? Our evolution comes to an end, and we join the 99.9+% of all species that have ever existed on Earth and are now extinct.
AI is logical, but it is only as good as its sources and its algorithms. I have to correct them regularly on misconceptions that are widely present in society. Since they are based on American sources a lot, it often confuses the meaning of socialism and communism with your straw-men versions of it. Then I ask it the definitions, which it usually returns accurately, and compare it to the straw-men. They usually quickly accept their mistake, but that shows that they are not biassed in a liberal or lefty direction, but in a right-wing direction, at least on that subject.

Ask yourself what an AI will do, if you only train it on the Bible. It will probably recognize this time as the end times, and choose to achieve that goal.
This guy was fined by an AI red light camera in a different state,
so he went to a local city meeting to address the issue:
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He's definitely NOT a liberal, and he is addressing issues that Republicans
(used to) care about.


By #623135 22,Jun,21 10:16
Phart posted
So they are already having issues with charging electric cars?
Sheesh,what about in 5 years? The power company are not permited to build new power plants.Solar and wind are going to be important to keep the grid up. But that didn't work in Texas did it?
They make a lot of energy in Texas,but how many folks died over the winter this past 1?

Angel1227!
So a private, for profit, company did not plan on a hard winter so their production of electricity was not sufficient? And this utility, regulated by the states, failed to meet the demands? This state (Texas) governed by Repukers was not regulated correctly so this company spent less on production and got richer because of it? This sounds very much like a Repuker business idea.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Jun,21 22:13 other posts 
Regulation? Hahaha,look at californicated, that is what happens when you over regulate. No one can trim trees off the lines, the power company has to cut power off in high winds,that is the result of Liberal-democrat regulation. Hug the trees,to hell with the humans.
I fault the power companys in texas to a point but I also fault the citizens for lack of preparedness.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Jun,21 08:10 other posts 
The power companies in Texas are now have trouble providing enough power for air-conditioning. The problem in the winter were not a fluke. It happens again only months later. Prices for power skyrocketed again. Many people again received electric bills for thousands of dollars. Texas' power market is not a good example of 'good' deregulation.

Face it, sometimes you need regulation, especially for basic facilities like power.
By #623135 23,Jun,21 12:19
Did I mention California? Was this the subject of the conversation? This is about Texas and it’s power company. Phart reply to this or open another thread.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Jun,21 12:27 other posts 
I posted a link to a news report about california having issues with electric car charging,
And I then mentioned the issues in texas with electricity.
What everyone is missing here is the fact there is NOT enough electricity being produced to meet CURRENT demand.As Ananas has indicated.So imagine if you will,5-10 years from now,when there is GREATER demand? What a mess we are in for.
Regulation is not the solution. that is how you GOT TO THIS POINT. To many regulations preventing new power plants being built and trying to snuff out coal,a effective energy source.
By #623135 23,Jun,21 16:34
Phart do you think power companies sat down in the 1920’s and said, “We are building for the future so, in 1945, we stop because there’ll be too many regulations to conduct business”?
You think that if they are running short they won’t try to catch up? The regulations you protest are there to protect the people and the environment. But, knowing how you think, fuck that. Let coal continue to pollute. We’ll be dead by the time our grandkids die of poisoned air.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Jun,21 19:40 other posts 
newest nuclear power plant started in 2016.
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Only 2 under construction according to this chart.
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The US shut down how many? lets see
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Now, we shut down 39 and we are building 2. Does that sound like regulations are helping any? 2, there are 50 states. So state regulation is not changing anything where it may be either.
If you want coal gone,you need to have a replacement handy before hand.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 02:17 other posts 
Maybe those old reactors have become very dangerous over time and/or they are not as efficient as the new ones.
Nuclear power is not the solution. There are 80 sites in the United States where nuclear waste is stored. Some of it is stored temporary in a location that is not safe long term. The best uranium sites are already running out and it's getting ever more expensive to mine the stuff.

That waste has to be looked after for the next 20,000 to 1M years, before it's safe. Humanity probably kills itself before that or there might be a few survivors that don't know how to keep the waste safe and radiation will finish them off. But who cares, right?

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Like nuclear is the only alternative to coal.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 09:18 other posts 
Well Ananas, at least we have some common ground, I h@te nuclear and wish people would have enough sense to study other ideas.
I just used nuclear here because MOST tree huggers-liberals,think nuclear is the answer.And it has Ooodles of issues that take Many years to deal with.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 12:27 other posts 
Glad we agree

Actually, I even prefer fossil fuels over nuclear, even though I'm a tree hugger-liberal. Nuclear might be a bit better on carbon emissions when the reactor is built, but building new ones creates so much emissions, it takes 20 years to recover.
Another problem is that nuclear reactors take ages to start up and stop again, which is not practical as backup for solar and wind. Fossil fuels are at least needed until we have enough geothermal, hydro (incl. wave), biofuel, biogas, hydrogen, chemical storage (formic acid), thermal energy storage, battery storage and whatever I forgot or they think up next.

Then there is off-course the waste and the risk.
By #623135 24,Jun,21 09:43
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By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 11:47 other posts 
qoute "Reducing the overall demand for electricity makes it easier for renewables like solar and wind to fill the gap, and targeted projects can reduce demand on the grid at peak times."

Eh so more electric cars will reduce demand?
I know you are not a engineer,but even you should be able to figure out that can't work.
By #623135 24,Jun,21 12:29
I don't pretend to be an engineer, but, I do know electric vehicles will not burn fossil fuels and pollute. If (and it looks like they are) the local electric companies can't handle the load they will have to upgrade. Eventually they will reach parity. Again, I say to you, if a problem exists, there will have to be an adjustment. Electric companies are allowed by government to be monopolies, but, they can loose it all if they can't provide proper service.
Coal is pretty much done as an industry. Not just because of regulations, but because investors and insurers are now backing away. If we all switch to electric cars soon, there's definitely a challenge to provide that electricity, but the overall power consumption will go down. Electric cars are more efficient. Now, I'm not talking about Tesla's that do 0 to 60 in 2 s and are comparable to a Porsche, but sensible electric cars that are appearing now.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 10:57 other posts 
It's nice to see that the world is moving towards new energy solutions, such as electric cars. We can't afford burning fossil fuels any longer. I'm glad to see that everyone agrees on that. Perhaps Saudi Arabia will be unhappy, but that country is a militant dictatorship with
groas violations of human rights, so the US or Europe don't need them as an ally.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 11:50 other posts 
Um, who do you think backed the loans for the solar farms around here? Saudi Arabia.
If they can't sell us oil ,they will make their money on interest from loans.
We could afford to use fossil fuels if we could finish our pipelines and drill in otherwise useless lands like up north in alaska where there is nothing but woods.
The alaskan pipeline built long ago,was supposed to be such a wildlife disaster,ha,the animals love it,it is warm near the pipeline.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 12:00 other posts 
Glad you agree.
By #623135 24,Jun,21 12:30
Fossil fuels promote pollution. Doesn't that get through your head?
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 16:47 other posts 
Eh yea,some,but nuclear wipes out MILES of earth for 100's of years. Check out Chernobyl sometime.

California has MILES of coast line,Why are they not looking into this tech?
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Instead of wasting all that coast line for half naked people to lay around and spread covid,there could be power plants there!
NO pollution! No noise that is not already there,and erosion control! WOW,
Kansas,could be using wind and solar to help of course.
Another non polluting power source,
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By #623135 24,Jun,21 21:05
Every time I think I’ve heard all your dippy theories, you come up with a new one.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 22:05 other posts 
Same here! No theorys posted, those are technology's already being tested and shown to work,perhaps just not as efficient as others.
I actually use some old equipment that is electric that was made way back before it was "cool" So I research alternative energy sources and what not for that reason. If I lived near a active stream,you better believe there would be a water wheel turning a old Gm alternator to charge back up batterys.
When I build a green house,yep,I will use geothermal to help with temp control.
By #610414 25,Jun,21 07:37
If I lived next to a moving stream, I, too, would use it for power, however, you would need several deep discharged batteries and a back up energy system in case you deplete your batteries too fast. I would also go upstream a few hundred yards and divert some of the water through pipes to have energy free house water.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Jun,21 12:15 other posts 
Just some old car batteries are better than nothing. It's free energy.
Every bit you can use of it is better than none at all.
That sound very cool. I would love to do some tinkering like that.

Here are some fun do-it-yourself builds on YouTube.
I had seen them before and it made me regret living next to a stationary ditch.
Maybe there are some ideas you can use:
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By phart [Ignore] 25,Jun,21 13:32 other posts 
the third link i watched the whole thing, very interesting,will get the other 2 tonight.
I DO NOT quite understand the amount of AMPS he is getting from that washing machine motor.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 05:46 other posts 
Here they say 600W should be possible. A washing machine motor will use 400 to 1300 watts. They might not be as efficient to generate the same amount, but can still do the job pretty well, as it seams and should be very easy to obtain.

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By #623135 28,Jun,21 17:51
Phart
How many Chernobyl’s do you know? One in the states, one in Japan, and one in Russia. Here, in Miami-Dade county, FP&L has been operating the local one over 50 yrs. Same in other cities around the state. And no pollution
By phart [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 18:03 other posts 
3 mile island here in the US. Prompted a nation wide process of adding new cooling systems.1 of my neighbors worked on the crew that went around building it. Made a fortune doing it.

You don't hear about the Mcquire plant here in NC getting to hot but it did a few years ago. The tree huggers were angry because a type of fish was dieing from getting caught in the cooling system water.So they put a screen over the intake. Worked fine for a while. Until the screen clogged up with little fishes.A employee told me about it.

Here is a long list of potential accidents and how to deal with them
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Yea,I know,I got dizzy after 10 minutes of readin!

I can't see a coal plant being any where near as dangerous to operate
By #623135 29,Jun,21 08:16
Sometimes it’s not what you can see but what you can’t
So what's your point? Just let any company kill whatever part of nature is in their way, because US companies are completely inadequate in solving any problem ever?
They can't even take in water, without sucking up all the fishes
By #623135 29,Jun,21 09:23
Ananas2xlekker my point is that all companies have a responsibility to protect the environment. People are part of the environment. In this case, the “sucking up of all the fishes” is not because the plant is nuclear. Yes, the reactors do need cooling. Cooling canals and reservoirs are needed. In this case, some knucklehead got the idea to put a screen on the pickup line. Duh, a cheap fuckup because of a cheap fix. Seems to me that an industry that can build nuclear reactors to make electricity should be able to prevent “little fishies” from clogging the intake of cooling water. Spent nuclear fuel rods are a problem. Finding a location to store them safely is still a problem and hopefully it better be resolved soon.

According to the Rainforest Action Network. For decades, climate change has been a global crisis that will impact every single person and living being on this planet. Now, according to the latest UN climate report, we have less than 10 years to cut global emissions in half.

Burning fossil fuels isn’t just bad for the climate, these industries also violate countless fundamental human rights. From frontline communities facing a fossil fuel pipeline on their land to Indigenous people facing fires in the Amazon to worker rights violations on palm oil plantations, the industries fueling climate change are also fueling injustice.

Coal, tar sands, and fracked gas show everything that’s wrong within the fossil fuel industry. These extraction practices are harming people and planet every day, and big banks are fueling this destruction of the planet and negligence of life.

So what’s so bad about coal, tar sands, and fracked gas? Basically everything, from start to the finish these fossil fuels are disastrous. For decades, climate change has been a global crisis that will impact every single person and living being on this planet. Now, according to the latest UN climate report, we have less than 10 years to cut global emissions in half.

Burning fossil fuels isn’t just bad for the climate, these industries also violate countless fundamental human rights. From frontline communities facing a fossil fuel pipeline on their land to Indigenous people facing fires in the Amazon to worker rights violations on palm oil plantations, the industries fueling climate change are also fueling injustice.

Coal, tar sands, and fracked gas show everything that’s wrong within the fossil fuel industry. These extraction practices are harming people and planet every day, and big banks are fueling this destruction of the planet and negligence of life.

So what’s so bad about coal, tar sands, and fracked gas? Basically everything, from start to the finish these fossil fuels are disastrous.

Like I said, “What you don’t see can be more dangerous.”
By phart [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 10:33 other posts 
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chernobyl didn just happen and stop.It is still happening today.

Smog will go away at some point.
coal smoke can be filtered.Try filtering radiaton.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 13:39 other posts 
Managing the Chernobyl disaster has probably already cost more energy than several nuclear reactors will produce in their lifetime. The exclusion zone of Chernobyl; 2600 km˛, if filled with solar panels, would produce 234 TWh/year. That's about twice the whole electricity consumption of The Netherlands.

So we only would need half that exclusion zone filled with solar panels
and that would cost about 78 Billion Euro's. That would raise our national debt from 56.3% of GDP to 66.2% of GDP.
Jobs for all our unemployed people will pull that debt down soon enough.
By #623135 30,Jun,21 08:42
You forget that the disaster in Chernobyl happened to a nuclear electric plant that would never be built in the US. According to the Atomic Energy Commission, this type of reactor was ver vulnerable to the disaster. The USSR didn’t care. Like the Chinese, they wanted results.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 09:54 other posts 
How about Fukushima?
Accidents happen. Even if the chance is 1:1M (historically proven it's much higher), when you multiply that risk by the number of nuclear power plants required, something catastrophic will happen at some point. Such catastrophes could cost more than the complete energy transition.
That's not worth it, because nuclear power is only a temporary solution, because the uranium will run out at some point. It's already becoming more and more expensive to mine the stuff.

Even if all those problems didn't exist, it still takes 10 years before any nuclear power plant has compensates his own build. But it first takes 10 years to build any. Then after 20 years, they are just as CO2 effecient as wind and solar. That's too late. We need to lower CO2 emissions ASAP.

Anyone with some money to spare can invest in their own solar panels,
lower their costs and be less dependent on power companies.
It's nice to have air-conditioning in a heat wave, when the government
is telling you not to use power or you can't afford it when power companies are charging you 100x the normal rate.

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By #623135 30,Jun,21 10:08
Fukushima’s disaster included the meltdown but IT WAS THE SUNAMI THAT CAUSED IT AND MOST OF THE DEVASTATION of that city. Last I’ve checked there are no dinamices happening in Kansas. I will give you this one. In Californicate state they’ve built one on the fault line. Engineer had too much Blow.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 11:06 other posts 
Isn't Kansas part of Tornado Alley?
There are al sorts of natural disasters, but it can also be a terrorist attack or a hacker or just basic human error.
By #623135 30,Jun,21 11:21
Yes, it is but you can’t compare a wind storm, even a tornado, to a sunami. Our nuclear plant in Turkey Point went through several hurricanes . Hurricanes produce tornados inside the storm. Hurricane Andrews destroyed large swaths out of the county. Huge communities disappeared. The Turkey Point plan took it in stride.
BTW, instead of Kansas I could have picked West Virginia
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As far as anything else, we have to trust security will prevail. Every thing is a crapshoot. Hopefully we don’t roll snake eyes,
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 12:54 other posts 
Or just choose all the many alternatives and don't build any new nuclear power plants. Why are you such a proponent of nuclear energy? What do you consider the advantage over truly sustainable energy technologies?
By #623135 30,Jun,21 13:30
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I was talking to phart.
I also don't like nuclear energy and my arguments are in line with the science on climate change. That uranium has to be mined, which also emits CO2.
A nuclear power plant takes a lot of energy to be built and maintained.
Then afterwards we have to keep the waste safe for the next 20,000 years.
On the short term nuclear is about as energy/CO2 efficient as wind power and even less than solar. In the long term nuclear has a horrible energy/CO2 efficiency, because keeping the waste safe also costs energy. Also, building nuclear power plants takes a long time and lots of materials. It takes about 10 years before a nuclear power plant compensates his own build. That's about 1-1.5 years for wind energy and 2 years for solar. However solar is cheaper
on maintenance.

Other than that, I agree with most of what you said.

All energy technology costs money, materials, energy and land to build and maintain. All energy technology has downsides like pollution, mineral shortages, exploitation of people and CO2 emissions. We just need to stop with the worst energy technologies first and expand on the best ones the most.

It doesn't require completely changing our life or have impact on the quality of our life. However climate change already impacts our life and it will only get worse. We can either choose to accept some changes now and prevent total catastrophe later or we can deny the truth until catastrophe proves us wrong.
By #623135 29,Jun,21 15:43
I wish we went back to the pre 1860’s. We really don’t need electricity. Natural gas was good enough to live and we don’t need TV or cars.


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